Comments on: Web 2.0: what's next ? http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/ A Technology and Business Weblog provided to You by a Global Group of Friends. Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:29:11 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Fidji SIMO http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2360 Fidji SIMO Wed, 23 May 2007 14:38:01 +0000 http://jeremyfain.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2360 As I told you yesterday Steve, Facebook marketplace is only a classifieds marketplace for the moment, which means that Facebook has not acquired any credibility in the online transaction yet (requires a lot of trust&safety which implies huge costs), so eBay is protected for the time being. However, eBay starts doing distributed e-commerce with the new widgets "ebay To Go" and should consider developping a white label activity. As I told you yesterday Steve, Facebook marketplace is only a classifieds marketplace for the moment, which means that Facebook has not acquired any credibility in the online transaction yet (requires a lot of trust&safety which implies huge costs), so eBay is protected for the time being. However, eBay starts doing distributed e-commerce with the new widgets “ebay To Go” and should consider developping a white label activity.

]]> By: Steve Danino http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2359 Steve Danino Wed, 23 May 2007 08:12:16 +0000 http://jeremyfain.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2359 @Kari: For this mobile-social-networking, actually my own brother tried to launch something similar a few years ago. The service was named Mobeep, and unfortunately the software part of it was never finalized. For Universal ID, actually I am not sure this is the major issue, although I could surely bet that Google will develop something nice. No, actually, I am just wondering why so many websites are competing for stealing the traffic of others, while they could very well cooperate and easily redirect their users for specific users on partners' sites. If ever Facebook's marketplace develops, it could be a serious threat for eBay right ? This suggests a partnersip between eBay and a competitor of Facebook, and so on... @Kari: For this mobile-social-networking, actually my own brother tried to launch something similar a few years ago. The service was named Mobeep, and unfortunately the software part of it was never finalized.

For Universal ID, actually I am not sure this is the major issue, although I could surely bet that Google will develop something nice. No, actually, I am just wondering why so many websites are competing for stealing the traffic of others, while they could very well cooperate and easily redirect their users for specific users on partners’ sites.

If ever Facebook’s marketplace develops, it could be a serious threat for eBay right ? This suggests a partnersip between eBay and a competitor of Facebook, and so on…

]]> By: Kari Silvennoinen http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2361 Kari Silvennoinen Wed, 23 May 2007 05:41:15 +0000 http://jeremyfain.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2361 Steve, a service I already mentioned briefly in a previous post, Jaiku, already does that mobility thing. It takes information from the mobile network cell you're connected to and informs who your contacts are near you, among other things. Universal ID is already here, you might remember Microsoft Passport initative from many years ago. Now Yahoo! has their own authentication service, Google could probably do that in an instant if they saw an opportunity, then there are smaller players like TypeKey etc. Then there's the open framework, OpenID (I think all Wordpress users have automatically an OpenID). I don't believe it's an ID issue. I agree with many comments above that it's a business decision. Steve, a service I already mentioned briefly in a previous post, Jaiku, already does that mobility thing. It takes information from the mobile network cell you’re connected to and informs who your contacts are near you, among other things.

Universal ID is already here, you might remember Microsoft Passport initative from many years ago. Now Yahoo! has their own authentication service, Google could probably do that in an instant if they saw an opportunity, then there are smaller players like TypeKey etc. Then there’s the open framework, OpenID (I think all Wordpress users have automatically an OpenID).

I don’t believe it’s an ID issue. I agree with many comments above that it’s a business decision.

]]> By: Fidji SIMO http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2352 Fidji SIMO Tue, 22 May 2007 16:33:49 +0000 http://jeremyfain.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2352 I agree with you Leo: Ciao! has already started to reward users leaving relevant comments on products (social shopping), and the future model will at least be a revenue share with users. Youtube is already starting (here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/27/AR2007012701233.html) I agree with you Leo: Ciao! has already started to reward users leaving relevant comments on products (social shopping), and the future model will at least be a revenue share with users. Youtube is already starting (here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/27/AR2007012701233.html)

]]> By: selleml http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2353 selleml Tue, 22 May 2007 13:23:10 +0000 http://jeremyfain.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2353 Hi Steve, I think the main success of web 2.0 companies was to involve readers to content creation. On this point, I agree with Jeremy's first definition: “Web 2.0 companies are companies smart enough to make users do the job". Consequently, I would not be surprised that the next step would be to pay them for doing the job. I guess I will develop this idea very soon on my blog, or another one ... Hi Steve,

I think the main success of web 2.0 companies was to involve readers to content creation. On this point, I agree with Jeremy’s first definition: “Web 2.0 companies are companies smart enough to make users do the job”. Consequently, I would not be surprised that the next step would be to pay them for doing the job.

I guess I will develop this idea very soon on my blog, or another one …

]]> By: Fidji SIMO http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2354 Fidji SIMO Tue, 22 May 2007 12:16:45 +0000 http://jeremyfain.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2354 Just a comment to confirm that when Steve says that he offers lunch to everyone eager to help him with his working paper, it is TRUE! Thank you Steve and good luck! Just a comment to confirm that when Steve says that he offers lunch to everyone eager to help him with his working paper, it is TRUE! Thank you Steve and good luck!

]]> By: Fidji SIMO http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2355 Fidji SIMO Tue, 22 May 2007 10:26:57 +0000 http://jeremyfain.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2355 Hi Steve, If you speak about a single ID which would work for all services (I think it is what you are talking about), it will be done really soon. However, if you speak about a "killer application", I mean a website offering every Web 2.0 services (marketplace, classifieds, social network, professional network), it would be a dream as I would not have to bother my friends with lots of invites to join all my networks, but it is not possible in terms of marketing simply because the value of those networks for advertisers is based on the fact that these networks are targeted (rock culture for myspace, rap culture for skyblog for ex), which justifies their business model based on advertising. Hi Steve,

If you speak about a single ID which would work for all services (I think it is what you are talking about), it will be done really soon. However, if you speak about a “killer application”, I mean a website offering every Web 2.0 services (marketplace, classifieds, social network, professional network), it would be a dream as I would not have to bother my friends with lots of invites to join all my networks, but it is not possible in terms of marketing simply because the value of those networks for advertisers is based on the fact that these networks are targeted (rock culture for myspace, rap culture for skyblog for ex), which justifies their business model based on advertising.

]]> By: Steve Danino http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2357 Steve Danino Tue, 22 May 2007 08:16:19 +0000 http://jeremyfain.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2357 Thanks Jeff. I now understand what's new with the "mashup" concept. I you add XHTML, RSS, AJAX, and now mashups, we now see that XML has been the real force driving the Web industry these recent years. Thanks Jeff. I now understand what’s new with the “mashup” concept.

I you add XHTML, RSS, AJAX, and now mashups, we now see that XML has been the real force driving the Web industry these recent years.

]]> By: Jeff Kee http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2356 Jeff Kee Tue, 22 May 2007 07:55:55 +0000 http://jeremyfain.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2356 When talking abotu Web 2.0, do not forget to mention the importance of "segregation of data and presentation". That's what XML is all about - transportability of data as pure data rather than wrapped-data like it traditionally used to be. XML is self-definable, self-extensible, and is THE MOST IMPORTANT aspect, in my opinion, of Web 2.0 along with AJAX and cross-platform compatibliity. The reason why Mashups are different from the old-school javascript code you toss in is that "Mashups" consist of aggregated data, which is possible by the movement to segregate the XML Data from the form. Data from other blogs/websites can be gathered WITHOUT going to that website directly due to XML. RSS, Aggregation, Mashups, Dynamic Advertisements (the ones with current prices/stores on it!), blogs, online shopping, APIs, websites appearing on both computers and handhelds despite different parsing methods ======= AKA ======= "Segregation of Data and Presentation" ======= AKA ======= WEB 2 POINT OH!!! :) When talking abotu Web 2.0, do not forget to mention the importance of “segregation of data and presentation”.

That’s what XML is all about – transportability of data as pure data rather than wrapped-data like it traditionally used to be.

XML is self-definable, self-extensible, and is THE MOST IMPORTANT aspect, in my opinion, of Web 2.0 along with AJAX and cross-platform compatibliity.

The reason why Mashups are different from the old-school javascript code you toss in is that “Mashups” consist of aggregated data, which is possible by the movement to segregate the XML Data from the form. Data from other blogs/websites can be gathered WITHOUT going to that website directly due to XML.

RSS, Aggregation, Mashups, Dynamic Advertisements (the ones with current prices/stores on it!), blogs, online shopping, APIs, websites appearing on both computers and handhelds despite different parsing methods

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“Segregation of Data and Presentation”

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WEB 2 POINT OH!!! :)

]]> By: Brian Cesarotti http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2358 Brian Cesarotti Tue, 22 May 2007 06:57:22 +0000 http://jeremyfain.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/web-20-whats-next/#comment-2358 I had a similar discussion with my friends a few days ago on this very topic. I think the main reason for not having one login for everything is the incredible security risk involved. Indentity theft is a problem now, imagine if all you needed was one ID and password to get everything on someone. I had a similar discussion with my friends a few days ago on this very topic. I think the main reason for not having one login for everything is the incredible security risk involved. Indentity theft is a problem now, imagine if all you needed was one ID and password to get everything on someone.

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