Comments on: Jaiku Is Not Twitter http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/10/10/jaiku-is-not-twitter/ A Technology and Business Weblog provided to You by a Global Group of Friends. Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:37:47 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Diazr » Jaiku vs. Twitter & FriendFeed http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/10/10/jaiku-is-not-twitter/#comment-3285 Diazr » Jaiku vs. Twitter & FriendFeed Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:08:01 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2007/10/10/jaiku-is-not-twitter/#comment-3285 [...] no tenía (ni tiene)  un mínimo porcentaje interesante con el que ser comparado. Sin embargo, en Tech IT Easy, un blog que me encontré por casualidad, nos cuentan algo interesante: For all the bloggers still [...] [...] no tenía (ni tiene)  un mínimo porcentaje interesante con el que ser comparado. Sin embargo, en Tech IT Easy, un blog que me encontré por casualidad, nos cuentan algo interesante: For all the bloggers still [...]

]]> By: william http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/10/10/jaiku-is-not-twitter/#comment-3288 william Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:52:31 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2007/10/10/jaiku-is-not-twitter/#comment-3288 Kari, My apologies. My fonts are so small I read your name as Karl :P Kari,

My apologies. My fonts are so small I read your name as Karl :P

]]> By: william http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/10/10/jaiku-is-not-twitter/#comment-3289 william Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:50:59 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2007/10/10/jaiku-is-not-twitter/#comment-3289 Karl, Thats what i was trying to explore in my post. Besides just advertising reach I am not sure why Google would opt for Jaiku over Twitter. Perhaps it is as rumors suggest that Google couldn't get a deal done with Twitter due to some of the personalities and past history between the companies? I have NO idea. Karl,

Thats what i was trying to explore in my post. Besides just advertising reach I am not sure why Google would opt for Jaiku over Twitter. Perhaps it is as rumors suggest that Google couldn’t get a deal done with Twitter due to some of the personalities and past history between the companies? I have NO idea.

]]> By: Vincent van Wylick http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/10/10/jaiku-is-not-twitter/#comment-3292 Vincent van Wylick Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:43:09 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2007/10/10/jaiku-is-not-twitter/#comment-3292 This is definitely an interesting discussion, but tech apart, what it takes to get two companies to integrate properly is if both have something that the other needs. In the case of Jaiku, I've heard multiple times that they were struggling on the US-front and of course Google can add much value there. What value could Google add to Twitter in that sense, none, except money and less control for the Twitter-folk to follow their own vision (which they clearly have, considering the amount of venture capital they attracted). Maybe Google also wanted to benefit from Jaiku's European presence, just like it did with Orkut and Brazil/India. About Google's not being in it for mobile reach. In my opinion this new trend in microblogging actually transcends mobile & web, and acquiring Jaiku creates more "presence" on both fronts, nothing wrong with that. All signals are pointing for Google to head into that direction anyway. About them building Jaiku. Why build something, if you can acquire the tech, talent, & the user-base? In many ways you could say the market for micro-blogging is saturated already, and Jaiku has from what I can tell, a small but healthy community, as well as a tested technology. About why Jaiku and not Twitter. My guess is for the reasons Kari mentioned, open technology, etc. + the reason I mentioned in my first paragraph, that Google and Jaiku actually both benefit in ways other than money. I'm sure Jaiku was much cheaper also, considering how much venture capital was pumped into Twitter. This is definitely an interesting discussion, but tech apart, what it takes to get two companies to integrate properly is if both have something that the other needs. In the case of Jaiku, I’ve heard multiple times that they were struggling on the US-front and of course Google can add much value there. What value could Google add to Twitter in that sense, none, except money and less control for the Twitter-folk to follow their own vision (which they clearly have, considering the amount of venture capital they attracted). Maybe Google also wanted to benefit from Jaiku’s European presence, just like it did with Orkut and Brazil/India.

About Google’s not being in it for mobile reach. In my opinion this new trend in microblogging actually transcends mobile & web, and acquiring Jaiku creates more “presence” on both fronts, nothing wrong with that. All signals are pointing for Google to head into that direction anyway.

About them building Jaiku. Why build something, if you can acquire the tech, talent, & the user-base? In many ways you could say the market for micro-blogging is saturated already, and Jaiku has from what I can tell, a small but healthy community, as well as a tested technology.

About why Jaiku and not Twitter. My guess is for the reasons Kari mentioned, open technology, etc. + the reason I mentioned in my first paragraph, that Google and Jaiku actually both benefit in ways other than money. I’m sure Jaiku was much cheaper also, considering how much venture capital was pumped into Twitter.

]]> By: Kari Silvennoinen http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/10/10/jaiku-is-not-twitter/#comment-3291 Kari Silvennoinen Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:43:27 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2007/10/10/jaiku-is-not-twitter/#comment-3291 William, Your post was good, but seriously, do you think someone with the market cap of Google has to settle for the second best? If they wanted Twitter, they would've taken that instead. I agree with "settling for the second best" if Google was after what Twitter is about, but as I try to say in my post, I doubt this is the case. You're right, Google could easily replicate any tech they want. They could've built their own Blogger, Picasa, Writely or whatever. One of their top bosses even said this when talking about open-source licensing (if the license doesn't suit Google, they'll write their own). I don't think they're stupid, but they also won't reinvent the wheel. They can and will buy the tech they want, because there are significant advantages like existing user base and know-how. (I doubt that Jaiku's founders Nokia experience goes to waste at Google.) The ugly truth with Twitter is that it's based on RoR and you have to agree that it's not really mature platform for the web. There have been frequent downtimes and scalability issues. Scalability and uptime are something that Google takes quite seriously. You can be sure that after Google's acquisition of Jaiku, Google probably can provide Jaiku with a US-based SMS number. The app actually runs on many phones, but none of them are popular in the US. But as I said, mobile probably wasn't the reason Google bought Jaiku. If Google wanted to buy a "microblogging" platform for their ad network, wouldn't Twitter made more sense in the first place (it has the critical mass and the user base, both that Jaiku lacks)? My uninformed guess is that Jaiku will go the way of Writely and Urchin and will be integrated into Google's core apps. In this sense, it doesn't make sense to buy Twitter. William,

Your post was good, but seriously, do you think someone with the market cap of Google has to settle for the second best? If they wanted Twitter, they would’ve taken that instead. I agree with “settling for the second best” if Google was after what Twitter is about, but as I try to say in my post, I doubt this is the case.

You’re right, Google could easily replicate any tech they want. They could’ve built their own Blogger, Picasa, Writely or whatever. One of their top bosses even said this when talking about open-source licensing (if the license doesn’t suit Google, they’ll write their own). I don’t think they’re stupid, but they also won’t reinvent the wheel. They can and will buy the tech they want, because there are significant advantages like existing user base and know-how. (I doubt that Jaiku’s founders Nokia

experience goes to waste at Google.)

The ugly truth with Twitter is that it’s based on RoR and you have to agree that it’s not really mature platform for the web. There have been frequent downtimes and scalability issues. Scalability and uptime are something that Google takes quite seriously.

You can be sure that after Google’s acquisition of Jaiku, Google probably can provide Jaiku with a US-based SMS number. The app actually runs on many phones, but none of them are popular in the US. But as I said, mobile probably wasn’t the reason Google bought Jaiku.

If Google wanted to buy a “microblogging” platform for their ad network, wouldn’t Twitter made more sense in the first place (it has the critical mass and the user base, both that Jaiku lacks)? My uninformed guess is that Jaiku will go the way of Writely and Urchin and will be integrated into Google’s core apps. In this sense, it doesn’t make sense to buy Twitter.

]]> By: william http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/10/10/jaiku-is-not-twitter/#comment-3290 william Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:15:04 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2007/10/10/jaiku-is-not-twitter/#comment-3290 I'll concede that you make some good points. You called my points silly, but yours aren't without fault either. 1. Google buys tech - yes, they do but trust me, there isn't anything in Jaiku that they couldn't replicate easily. I also dispute that they purchased it for the technology, more like for the advertising opportunities (Jaiku doesn't have it but watch for ads to start popping up there soon) 2. Jaiku is technically superior to Twitter? Sorry I have to disagree. As a mobile platform, Jaiku is horrible. They have a slick app which runs on 1 phone, have no way of handling SMS from the states (unless you care to send one internationally). As far as I have seen, no way to pull keywords (track) out of the public timeline. So what does Jaiku excel at? Well, it has a snazzier interface and some icons. If you believe that Jaiku is technically superior I disagree with your premise. If you believe that I do, that Google's acquisition was about bolstering their ad network, Twitter has the larger user base. I’ll concede that you make some good points. You called my points silly, but yours aren’t without fault either.

1. Google buys tech – yes, they do but trust me, there isn’t anything in Jaiku that they couldn’t replicate easily. I also dispute that they purchased it for the technology, more like for the advertising opportunities (Jaiku doesn’t have it but watch for ads to start popping up there soon)

2. Jaiku is technically superior to Twitter? Sorry I have to disagree. As a mobile platform, Jaiku is horrible. They have a slick app which runs on 1 phone, have no way of handling SMS from the states (unless you care to send one internationally). As far as I have seen, no way to pull keywords (track) out of the public timeline.

So what does Jaiku excel at? Well, it has a snazzier interface and some icons.

If you believe that Jaiku is technically superior I disagree with your premise.

If you believe that I do, that Google’s acquisition was about bolstering their ad network, Twitter has the larger user base.

]]> By: Jeremy Fain http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/10/10/jaiku-is-not-twitter/#comment-3286 Jeremy Fain Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:49:47 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2007/10/10/jaiku-is-not-twitter/#comment-3286 What's also interesting is that Twitter, not Jaiku, reached critical mass first. Would early adoption from prominent bloggers or first mover advantage play a role in Twitter outperforming Jaiku by far in terms of traffic? What’s also interesting is that Twitter, not Jaiku, reached critical mass first. Would early adoption from prominent bloggers or first mover advantage play a role in Twitter outperforming Jaiku by far in terms of traffic?

]]> By: Vincent van Wylick http://www.techiteasy.org/2007/10/10/jaiku-is-not-twitter/#comment-3287 Vincent van Wylick Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:24:09 +0000 http://techiteasy.org/2007/10/10/jaiku-is-not-twitter/#comment-3287 Nice reasoning. I agree with that Jaiku right now represents more of a platform than Twitter does, or gives the indication of being. And platforms are Google's core-business. The question is what Google is intending with Jaiku, or whether it will give the service free reign and just support it via ads. I personally think it's an excellent way to expand its advertising-reach into the mobile space, assuming that there is a Gphone and that Google intends to do something mobile with next year's frequency auction. Also the Jabber-integration is intriguing. Btw. doesn't Twitter support XMPP/Jabber too? And cool that your Jaiku-channel also catches the del.icio.us bookmarks tagged 'techiteasy.' It'll motivate me to bookmark more. Nice reasoning. I agree with that Jaiku right now represents more of a platform than Twitter does, or gives the indication of being. And platforms are Google’s core-business.

The question is what Google is intending with Jaiku, or whether it will give the service free reign and just support it via ads.

I personally think it’s an excellent way to expand its advertising-reach into the mobile space, assuming that there is a Gphone and that Google intends to do something mobile with next year’s frequency auction. Also the Jabber-integration is intriguing.

Btw. doesn’t Twitter support XMPP/Jabber too?

And cool that your Jaiku-channel also catches the del.icio.us bookmarks tagged ‘techiteasy.’ It’ll motivate me to bookmark more.

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